HSBC Lacks The Vriska Fundamentals And I'm Not Afraid To Say It

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Monday, August 4th, 2025, 6:40 AMabout 4 hours ago

It Really Sucks Because I Was Looking Forward To Having More Vriska But Theyre Trying To Redeem Her And She Just Doesnt Need Redemption. Vriska At Her Very Core Is An Incredibly Emotional Person. She Doesnt Want To Admit It But She Usually Acts More Based On Emotion Than Logic. I Cannot Ever See Her Acting Kindly To Pre-Retcon Vriska Because She Hates Herself!!!! Stop Making Her A Better Person!!! Why Does She Need To Be Good To Be A Good Character!!! She Is Childish And I Think No Amount Of Time In The Torture Chamber Is Going To Fix That. It Makes Me Quite Frankly No Longer Looking Forward To The Vrisrezi Reunion Because Chances Are It Will Be So Painfully Out Of Character For The Both Of Them. Beyond Canon Certainly Has Its Good Points ( Quite Fond Of Candy Rose ) But Vriskas Characterization Just Ruins It For Me Honestly. Pissed Off Kanaya

Monday, August 4th, 2025, 6:52 AMabout 4 hours ago

i don't know that i agree. i really enjoy every plot point scene. it acts as a very good tutorial for reading vriska, and it's strange to pretend the helltier plot point stuff "fixed" her. a lot of vriska's deal is that she is ever too willing to be a driver of plot, and this is openly destructive to her. this is a trait that has remained completely intact on the other side of the plot point. i think hsbc's lack of elaboration on the idea and homestuck's existing willingness to problematize progression systems like godtiering and the helltier echeladder i forget the name of right now means the helltier deal is more complicated than we've seen thus far.

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Monday, August 4th, 2025, 6:57 AMabout 4 hours ago

I think you're missing the point of the Plot Point. Vriska is not a one-sided antagonist like Caliborn, she has room for growth, both literally and figuratively. Sending her to hell is a very literal definition - she gets put through her own personal hell, having to think rationally in order to sustain relevancy outside of it. Even with that, it's pretty clear in the material provided that she struggles really hard to forgive herself and the people around her, which is why it took so long for her to hell-tier.

I think even without that trauma, she still acts very like herself post-ascension, though she is overshadowed by just how ridiculous things have gotten on the Candy characters' end. We haven't really seen her yet, cut her a br8k!


Latchdude
Monday, August 4th, 2025, 6:57 AMabout 4 hours ago

Well, I agree with the general point of your post, which is that I don't think I'm really like 'excited' for Vriska's character, helltier feels like its retreading several already-existing plot beats where vriska "thinks shes grown but really hasn't!" We've seen this happen again and again and it just feels less like a natural progression for her character and more like she's being used for a vehicle to talk about the tired old theme of True Growth And Why Its Better Than Fake Growth for the 1,000,000th time.


I like your username, on an unrelated note. Very enlightened.

Magic Mirror
Monday, August 4th, 2025, 7:01 AMabout 4 hours ago

The entire thing is just pure, mediocre fanservice. Best to ignore it.. it's all non-canon anyways

Who gives a shit?..

sutekh
Monday, August 4th, 2025, 7:02 AMabout 3 hours ago

Ehh i can kinda see what you mean. Like, when Vriska arrives she's undergone a lot of change and has had her perspective on life drastically shifted. I don't think there's anything wrong in that regard, but her snarky personality, rude demeanor, and over all attitude of telling people off coupled with her enormous ego were what drew a lot of people into her character to begin with, and I feel there is a way to have both of those things while also shifting her views on the world around her so she doesn't fuck EVERYTHING up all over again.


I don't personally find it charming when characters deliberately just mess everything up over and over without learning anything at all, and I certainly don't find the merit in the idea that them doing it that way is good writing because it "shows they can't change no matter what!" I think there is a way to have Vriska fit to help other people around her without giving her whole personality and shit a total 180.


She doesn't necessarily have to be a "good" person to be a hero which was the whole point of her story arc in the comics IMO, and I liked that about her. Who's a hero and who isn't is subjective and based entirely on your own place in the narrative and all that other philosophical meta narrative bullshit.



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elegantSpinstress
Monday, August 4th, 2025, 7:08 AMabout 3 hours ago

I liked some aspects of the Helltier Vriska arc, I feel like it was less of a "redemption" meant to absolve her of her faults and more of a time chamber that she is locked in to until she learns true and honest empathy. Now, some writers think giving a character empathy means you automatically have to make that character a "good" person who thinks about not harming other people before doing things, but that's not necessarily true.


It would've been pretty interesting if she used her newfound empathy for other people to understand her situation better, so she can still act like her usual egotistical self but without the ignorance that comes with being unempathetic to others. Vriska was already smart, but giving her the ability to know WHY people act a certain way would've added to her already cunning demeanor.



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