RE: pedanticbiomasochist like that's the thing right, i think they do have a lot motive to ""torture"" noelle in the ways they do, because in their eyes it's like. they're trying to help her become stronger so she can protect herself in the same ways they've had to learn how to do. it's a lot of what makes kris so similar to chara, and it's also, like. if it weren't something they were thinking about, why would any of the choices that lead to weird route be available at all