What classpects do you think the Beyond Canon cast are?

Not familiar with those characters so I can't say.

Genuinely curious because this is the second time in as many days I've heard about apparent red herrings surrounding Gamzee and the hope aspect - did the hope aspect actually exist in the comic when Gamzee was introduced? Where would we have heard enough about "hope" to actually read his introduction and expect that to be his role?

Well if you look at Ly’lac’s browser, its called Seth. and Seth is the Egyptian god of disorder, violence, and the desert. Its different from Jane’s browser and denizen, Hemera. so on one hand, i wanna say Ly’lac isnt Life, but on the other hand, i know that there are exceptions to the rule. Yaldabaoth is given to strong warriors, regardless of Aspect. So maybe Seth works like that?

But also, wouldnt it be too early to establish a special exception like that? I feel like you need to establish the norm first before you can do something like that, and I know Shurb is supposed to be a proper session, like how Vriska said it would be before taking the Omega Kids to the other timeline.

Tavvy does give me Blood Aspect vibes because his familial relationships are a mess rip. I feel like that had defined his life enough for it to become is Aspec.

oh also @jakemorph maybe it has something to do with the fact that Gamzee was obsessed with miracles? and believing in miracles seems very hopeful? I havent read the comic in a while, but i remember my first reaction was surprise that he was rage, since before his aspect was revealed Gamzee seemed pretty chill. so even if Hope wasnt teased in the comic during that point, that initial contrast makes Gamzee ending up being Rage a bit of a subversive anyways.

Thats just my speculation tho i hope that makes sense rip

That totally makes sense and I get that a character's mythological role is often a surprise, I'm just confused how we're supposed to think he's "obsessed with Hope" in particular when we probably didn't even know what Hope was when he first appeared... along similar lines, someone told me the other day that Dave's intro had red herrings about the Rage aspect. We didn't even know that "aspects" were a thing back when Dave was introduced!

But back to Ly'lac and the point of the thread, I do fully believe the Doomy stuff could be deliberately misleading. Having her be a Hero of Doom because she likes bombs and tends to accidentally kill things feels a lot to me like if Heroes of Breath were all obsessed with, like, pictures of lungs, and snorkels and scuba suits and shit... I think it's possible that Act 2 is deliberately spoofing common fanadventure tropes and that she'll be a Hero of Doom anyway. But I'm just not totally convinced!

Personally, the denizen Seth made me think Breath, since he's often thought to be the Ancient Egyptian counterpart to Typheus :)

idk about the nymph + satyr we're presumably getting in the 6-person session but my predictions since like a year ago remain unchanged: tavvy bard of doom, vrissy thief of mind (this one is just obvious), yiffy sylph of rage, harry mage of blood

I can definitely see all of those @projectress although I'm surprised about Harry being a Mage of Blood. The reason I was suggesting Space was mainly because his interest with fashion and creation. Plus, of course, there will need to be a Space player amongst the cast anyway so it will either be one of the 4 or one of the Satyrs/Nymphs.

Also I won't be surprised if I'm wrong about the Bard of Life, since it is very very on the nose that Ly'lac has all the characteristics of Doom. I came up with the Bard of Life theory before her introduction, back when we saw her first conversation in the little teaser.

The example I gave with Gamzee is more because Hope represents belief and seeing the positive in things, which kinda is the crux of his entire introduction and early character. Like, Jake's whole thing is that he believes in things so hard they become real, and Gamzee's whole thing is feeding into delusion so much that he forces it into reality. Reading it for the first time you can't know what any of that means, but going back it's hard to miss. The difference between Gamzee and a real Hope player is that all of this Hope surrounding him is achieved via a destruction of Rage. It's a subtle difference, but it's there! Like, he isn't calm at all, he is just silencing his Rage with the sopor slime.

There's a fun little parallel I noticed, where Gamzee, the Bard of Rage, pacified the enemy creatures in the Medium, while Eridan, Prince of Hope, aggravated the friendly creatures in the Medium. Which is kinda unrelated but demonstrates how they uniquely displayed their opposite aspect by destroying their own.

But anyway, from what we actually see, Ly'lac expresses Doom in a similar way (at least for the most part), via the destruction of Life. This literally happens in the panels we see with her relationship with plants, but also in more subtle ways like her chumhandle and her "EPITAPHIC HEX". "Hex" is Doom-related, but "Epitaphic" is only Doom-related in the way that it is the opposite of Life (death is inherently related to Doom, but when I looked up "Epitaphic" the definition I got was "A brief literary piece commemorating a deceased person." which feels less about the despairing march of doom we are all bound to follow, and more about a declaration on life itself).

Idk, it's just something I wanted to throw out because I noticed it early and it would be fun if I was right about it. If it turns out she is a Doom player then I'm not gonna be upset though. I mean it would be cool to see Doom in action beyond the passive role Sollux played, where he was really more just an extension of Aradia's Time-adjacent shenanigans.

As for the others I think Tavvy being a Mage of Blood would be interesting, but we'll see because now that I put an aspect to my Mage claim it feels very different from other Mages/Seers we've seen. In theory a Mage of Blood would probably fulfill a similar role to Kankri/The Signless, but obviously Tavvy is very different from either of them. He hasn't displayed any visions or expert knowledge in Blood like they did and like how Sollux did with Doom. So if he is a Blood aspect I would guess maybe a Rogue of Blood? That would be super interesting! I used to think of myself as a Rogue of Blood before I realised how obvious it was I am a Light player. (A Rogue of Light, I yap a lot but none of it means anything or makes any sense or is worth reading at all).

I've talked about this quite a few times on the Beyond Canon discord, and the theory I have is the common one over there:

Bard of Doom Tavvy

Thief of Mind Vrissy

Mage of Rage Yiffy

Sylph of Blood Harry

Ordered by descending confidence in my belief that I'm right. Though, I'm fairly confident in my aspects.

All 4 use the aspects which went unused by the humans, as you would expect. Furthermore, all of them contrast against their parents' aspects in some way. Tavvy has the opposite of his mom's, Vrissy has the Pyrope aspect instead of the Serket aspect, and Harry has the opposite of his dad's. Yiffy's doesn't contrast, though frankly I think her being left out of the pattern fits her role in the story (and considering that she's inevitably going to break the pattern of the AG/GG/TG username scheme, has some basis in canon). I wrote about this a while back on a tumblr post (which I'll be copying some of), though I had Harry and Yiffy's classes swapped. I still could swap them, but I'm leaning more towards this setup atm.

For Tavvy, I say he's Doombound because of him being the Crockercorp CEO's son. Being in that position, he's been put onto the side of the organization/empire that's brought most of the suffering and conflict currently encapsulating Earth-C. Tavvy's whole attitude also has an aura of 'doom and gloom,' to it, even in comparison to the original Tavros Nitram. Also, it should be noted that him being Doombound would be an interesting subversion of Jane & Meenah, the previous Crockers, being lifebound.

I say he's a Bard because he goes against the Doom-full situation he's been stuck in, albeit in minor ways. He's allied with the resistance, and is dating the daughter of one of the main resistance leaders. And despite him not being the most optimistic, he doesn't let it show too much.

Next is Vrissy. Firstly, I would like to mention that Vrissy has not once been shown bearing the Scorpio sign. It's nowhere to be seen on her outfit, and when she texts someone her face is used instead of any symbol. As such, there's nothing tying her to Light, Despite Vriska and Aranea both being Lightbound. Considering that this story has gone out of its way to never associate her with Light, I believe her aspect is something else. My best guess is Mind. I say this because unlike Vriska, who's usually going straight into things without a plan, Vrissy consistently comes up with a plan before taking a step forward, though given that she's still a Serket, this usually results in her arguing with her friends while trying to make said plans. Finally, Vrissy being Mindbound makes her a Serket with the Pyropes' aspect, while her being a thief shows some inheritance from Vriska.

The previously mentioned arguing is also why I say she's a Thief. She's the one making her partners go through impulsive shenanigans for her, may it be to hide a body or to crawl through a window for a makeout session. Also, her improved Vriska mind control abilities enable her to literally steal minds.

Yiffy being rage doesn't need much explanation. If you need one, refer to BC Page 562 (https://beyondcanon.com/story/562) and compare it to the Extended Zodiac's Rage description (http://hs.hiveswap.com/ezodiac/aboutaspects.php). I really think this just speaks for itself.

As for her aspect, her teen angsty know-it-all nature regarding the way to world works fits with the idea of her being a mage (assuming that they're the active equivalent to Seers, which is very plausible given them being likened to prophets multiple times). The alternative could be her being a Sylph who spreads Rage, but I don't think that fits her. Though, arguably it could be given to her because she'd hate being the magic fairy class.

Lastly, Harry. he's described as a "social climber," in the patreon commentary of the page where we saw his phone, works with others for musical plays, and appears to be the person who's most into the celebrity-esque role thrust onto him by his literal-son-of-god status. He also appears to be closer to his parents than the others are, or at the very least talks about them more. Being bloodbound would give yet another candy kid an inversion of their parent's aspect, as he's the opposite of John's Breath. Lastly, I want to add the anecdote that when Vrissy makes fun of Tavvy for his genocidal parent during the pre-hiatus run, he's the first person to say that it's not cool to bring Tavvy down for that.

Harry being a sylph is a bit odd, given that he'd be the only one here who doesn't align with his class's gender (I know class genders are a bit iffy but I'm assuming that they'll still have some presence, just not an outright defined one). With that being said, I think it fits him. Sylphs seemingly heal using their aspect, or at least spread it for the benefit of others. Harry's tendency to vouch for his family aligns with this. It doesn't quite fit the "social climber" aspect in the same way that Mage does, though. Also given that he has a major interest in theater, I think giving him the magical fairy class with consistent parallels to the Peter Pan would fit him.

Oh, and also I think Harry, Vrissy, and the Satyrs will be Prospitan while Yiffy, Tavvy, and the Nymphs will be Dersian.

Not quite sure on the Delta kids' aspects or classes, though. Assuming that there's 10 players (3 Nymphs + 3 Satyrs + 4 Earth-ians) they'll have every class & aspect except for 2. My bet is that the two missing classpects will be their creator's aspects: Prince & Seer, and Heart & Light. Everything else will be accounted for.