So about those Classpects...

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Saturday, August 2nd, 2025, 11:36 AM2 days ago

I do hate to start with assumptions but this alas, is a time of them.

In a frankly arcane posting sometime back that might frankly be a bit of summoned memory it was suggested by The Team (or so it seemed) that the Omega Kids (Tavvy, Harry, Yiffy, Vrissy) will have, or at least, the (mostly) human components of the four will be expressing the as yet unseen aspects on mainline human characters.

This then leaves us with the selection of Mind, Doom, Rage and Blood.

Without a full diatribe it's fairly obvious that Yiffy is meant to be a rage player, or at least has that coding thus far (Page 819 latest at posting)

Vrissy I will suggest is a mind player for a number of reasons, and with the obvious caveat of easily being out of the running for New Classpect being A Vriska and thus ostensibly a light player. Her mind powers do bias me towards a mind player. Thief of mind splits the difference but we will get to that.

Harry? Blood perhaps. The obvious social heart and anchor given his empathy and theatre skills. Theatre is, after all a bunch of people all agreeing on a fiction using the same rules and working together. In a manner of speaking.

Tavvy? For me, Doom speaks for him. Bard of doom especially. Allusions to rules, disaster and foreboding things in his arranged future and miserable but required or arranged past teamed to his hated "Uncle's" class to break down the things he suffered? I like that.

But what do you think?

And of course, with spoilers FULLY in place, we have The Deltritans to discuss.

Lyl'Lak certainly feels doomy. Bombs, broken things, fireballs. But between the gardening and the alchemy I kind of get the feeling of some of the less straightforward and support style space classpects.

umbralPenultimate
Saturday, August 2nd, 2025, 11:43 AM2 days ago

ly'lak is almost certainly doom, but i think that it's because the deltrius kid's are going to use the leftover classpects + an obligatory space & time player duo.


the kids in earth c have a whole thing of *not* being like their parent's and going against them, so i think a group who's whole thing is getting away from homestuck's main guys wouldn't have their scraps. the deltrius kids on the other hand are defined by being made for the canon and for being a homestuck sequel.


but that's just my two cents so i don't know.

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adorableAnimus
Saturday, August 2nd, 2025, 11:58 AM2 days ago

If I had to guess I'd reckon AA is Space and TC is PROBABLY Time, just based on his general demeanor and the sound-related handle

atomicTwilight
Saturday, August 2nd, 2025, 0:36 PM2 days ago

agreeing with what adorableAnimus said, I'm doubtful any of the kids will share their aspect or class with either of their parents... with the exception of Vrissy


Although its easy to write her off as a special case scenario, her Zodiac kinda requires her to be a Light aspect, as well as it definitely suiting her character. I think this can still be very interesting, being able to compare her to her mother as well as Vriska (even Arenea to some degree) and see how she utilizes her aspect differently. Personally she definitely strikes me as a active class, I'm thinking Witch personally just with how she interacts with Harry and Tavvy implies manipulation (although moreso in a mental sense in that case).


I also think Yiffy could be a surprise Blood Aspect, not confident in that or anything, but as much as she gives a "fuck all authority vibe I do what I want" she also feels like a "us vs them" when it comes to authority, so maybe a Bard of Blood? just some food for thought.


Tavvy and Harry are personally two characters that I feel like we don't know enough about to properly classpect them, I think saying Harry is a passive class is a easy guess but other than that I don't feel too strongly on either of them, time will tell I suppose.


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Ferris
Saturday, August 2nd, 2025, 1:12 PM1 day ago

My thinking with Vrissy is that she wears Scorpio purely because of how much of her identity she makes about Vriska, and as she grows away from Vriska and begins to emphasize her own identity we'll see her start wearing Scorra or whatever her "True" sign is. Assuming that Sign lore is even like. Relevant to HSBC

atomicTwilight
Saturday, August 2nd, 2025, 4:13 PM1 day ago

I've held the opinion for a hot minute that the players are as follows:


Yiffy - Witch of Time

Harry - Knight of Space

Tavros - Page of Rage

Vrissy - Maid of Light


And more recently:


Ly'lac - Seer of Doom


Yiffy's upbringing has been very reminiscent of the Handmaid's that being forced to be a pawn in someone else's game (Jane using her as leverage against Rose and Jade), the outfit they chose to ibtroduce her in (private school uniform like Handmaid in the japanese schoolgirl uniform). If you check the various analysis online of the Witch of Time, I think it fits her very well.


Something of note when I was classpecting Harry is his love of THEATRE and MAKING COSTUMES. He keeps makeup and sewing supplies with him, and more than in just the hobbyist kind of way we saw with Rose in Homestuck Proper. The act of CREATING art is a distinctly Space trait. I'm gonna refer back to classpect analysises for a more in-depth explanation of a Knight of Space.


Tavvy was harder to classpect for me because of how passive he is, until I realized WHERE that passiveness was coming from. He's a similar kind of passive to his father, but it comes from a place of suppression from abuse. That's why I think he's a Page of Rage. I considered a Prince of Rage first, but he wasn't destroying Rage inside HIMSELF. He'd be more like Dirk if he were a Prince, and I believe the Rage aspect comes from being influenced by Gamzee. I'm willing to be criticized on this one.


Vrissy as a Maid of Light- this one was kinda a given. Light, of course, is a requirement due to her being Vriska's descendant. Two isn't a pattern, but I would be surprised if she wasn't a Light player. I believe she will be preserving the Light of her session, especially since she will be contending with a fully realized Rose and Dirk who no doubt will be sticking themselves into the narrative. There is also Vriska, the Thief of Light, she may have to deal with. But then again, they're on the same side. We'll have to see how that plays out.


And lastly, Ly'lac. It was pretty blatantly obvious she's the Doom player this session. And given her EVEN MORE OBVIOUS Rose-coding (see the fucking purple squiddle on her head) I was first tempted to call her a Seer of Doom. However, due to her calling herself "cursed" (much like Vriska was in her youth (poor girl was HELLA unlucky)) she could ALSO be a Thief of Doom, or maybe even a Prince of Doom. I know Prince is a longshot, but consider her attempts at gardening. She sucks at keeping things alive, but Princes ghost their opposite aspect. Having a Prince of Doom on their team, should she not turn out as poorly as Eridan, could be a surefire path to victory for all the players involved.


But these are just my thoughts about them.

Monday, August 4th, 2025, 2:00 AMabout 5 hours ago

All excellent notions.

However I'd perhaps reiterate that the omegas having the "never seen on human players" leftovers would work more for their tempo rather than a "Built for it, like the trolls were" player base like the Deltas.

Who most certainly have a space/time duo among them.

Seer of Doom is of course probably a high odds guess and only shudders down the "Maybe Not" ladder to me given the previous stipulation that the Omegas (My personal take being Tavvy as it happens) have a doom player, and with *ten* players it's rather curious that they don't have the opportunity to hit them all as a collective and in fact have to lack two aspects.

The immediate instinct I'd have there being Heart/Light given Of The Gods would probably be outside Dirk's rather self affected operation style. (Who knows? Maybe they lack space/time and that's why Alt-Callie is out there sitting on the Time Team while she herself is The Space Player Of All Space Players.)

Ly'Lac's connection to flowers and gardening but it only being recent and her being rather...Fractious about it could indicate the very contrived nature of Deltritus rearing it's unsubtle head that This Is The Space Player. Particularly if they're either a destroyer class or something like a page.

Space does deal with alchemy after all. Natural sciences and such.

That and it's rather interesting to suggest a not traditionally masculine presenting character (or at least one that isn't as obvious as Eridan) would draw something like a prince, given the obvious importance the space player has, much less it being Kanaya's Aspect. It's a bit sappy but I confess the idea that Rosebot arranged things however she did to deliver Kanaya's aspect to the nymph that most resembles a curious proper blending of the two feels alot like Rose's Playbook. Bombs are associated with doom yes, but "Count downs" and forthcoming events are also seerly. Seer of Space? If that's the case we've got an interesting potential pattern given Vrissy's acted alot like a Rogue or Thief of Mind with that prison break and all.

Similarly, AA being a heavily indicated seer might point to one of several things depending on their method of augury. Are they an intuitive type? Do they observe some specific arcane method? Are they being spoken to by The First Guardian or indeed, Rose herself? Alot of questions and all are so very fun. What might immediately make one jump to seer could very much be a mage or even a knight depending on the aspect. Heck, given the nymphs in general, according to Ly'lac have a species wide connection to prophesy maybe they're really more of a time player that happens to be carrying water so to speak for The Destined Game.

As it is I'm still admitting the Light/Mind aspect for Vrissy is a bit of a coin flip but I will propose it's interesting that if one were to imagine a fusion of the elements of Light/Space the idea of a physical or logical or quantifiable concept relating to fortune/knowledge/luck would be your immediate result. And really that's intuition, thought and knowledge now isn't it? The Omega kids are marked by their relationship to their parents and to themselves. How they react to that. Vrissy in particular has this Identity Crises of "Well who am I and who do I want to be?" is she Vriska or is she the daughter of Rose and Kanaya? or is she neither because she's Vrissy?

On that specific front I think there's enough speculation to imagine a number of satisfying answers. Not for nothing; Candy Earth C Vriska is actually not named Vriska Serket and is technically not a Serket if we ascribe alot of meaning to her Maryam-Lalonde surnme. Probably enough to break a pattern in Homestuck Logic. And of course, Vrissy's got to have a core character struggle and "Who am I and what do I want to be?" feels like it might be it.

The others are a bit easier...Or less overt. The Boys relate to their difficulty with their parents and Yiffy obviously has the polar opposite of Vrissy's problem. Which of course ties up neatly with the "Red/Blue daughter of Rose, Herald of The Plot".

Regarding TC...Without jumping to conclusions I'm also pretty on board with Time for them. Making CHA.OS does vibe with that, especially since he sent it to Ly'lac, who has The Garden Thing going on. A clockwork lily is a fairly potent sign. He's also pretty chill which seems to remind some of Gamzee and others of Dave. Possibly intentionally.

Unrelated to classpects (possibly) but the fact we saw Terezi's quirk in the prompts for GC tag using Ly'lac does bring up the question of if it's The First Guardian playing Exile for the players or it's something of a grace note for her tag-sake. I suppose that one is easily proven out of whoever is next (I imagine TC but it's impossible to tell.) having Terezi's or their Tag-sake's appear.

umbralPenultimate
Monday, August 4th, 2025, 2:10 AMabout 5 hours ago

Lil Vriska being a Hero of Mind because she has mind powers seems a sort of silly assertion to me given that the dynamic between Big Vriska and Terezi was that one of them had mind powers but was a Hero of Light whereas the other one was a Hero of Mind with no natural mind powers at all?

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>fucking dies

JakeMorph
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