In topic: "the UHC situation"

Tuesday, August 12th, 2025, 3:43 AM2 days ago

Note Before reading this: I cannot be brief, i had a bad habit of constantly adding onto things i write. This wouldn't be such a problem if i wasn't a slow writer who felt the need to triple check every statement. Like Stars above i made an image to explain things here. This WAS meant as a response to @wheatrice (TOOK TOO LONG, I MEAN THIS POST: https://www.fruityrumpus.com/forums/reply/689a6fd0c24c58e6534862e8, not the one you just posted. I do sorta reply to a small part that's relevant, but that's mainly by accident. I do add in a few addendums though to cover a few parts, though not in much detail due to time constraints.) and sorta still is but accidentally fell into a rabbit hole and ended up with this mess that has taken me well over 3 hours to write. Like i started with pointing out that Gio hadn't lied on either of those statements, it was just kinda shitty of him to do those thing, but then morphed into trying to figure out why Gio said those things. Apologies if this goes in odd directions. While i do believe Gio's accounts of events and interpretations seem plausible thanks to previous accounts of Homestuck Inc. but there are clear problems with the articles (Mainly the HICU one but the UHC article doesn't avoid this issue either.) That seem to have reasons for being like that. (Not good reasons, but y'know, reasons.) Which morphed into this over 2k word behemoth. More blog post than reply.

TLDR


an edit of Materia Collectives "Shayy it's late, go to bed" to say "Max it's late, go to bed."



(And i will... now onto the actual reply)


I mean... both of those things are pretty bad of Gio but that isn't really lying. Just shitty things for Gio to do. To be honest i do think i see an interesting connection between the Vast Error assumption and Cami's interview there.


For Vast Error he was speculating on it and didn't make any real definitive statements. To quote the entire Vast Error section directly "Vast Error was promised Andrew wouldn’t make demands, and then… well, I honestly don’t know how exactly Vast Error works, but Austinado is stepping down, which given the rest of all this is a smell, at least. Perhaps something terrible will happen? I hope not though." [1] It's made obvious in the article by it being marked as a Tangent and being a literal sentence long with the conclusion feeling like a penciled in "Maybe????". My best guess as to why Gio did that (And im not of the opinion Gio's deliberatly trying some sort of smear job on Hussie, the discord logs are bad enough, Gio doesn't need to make things up to make Hussie look bad) is revealed with the Message from Cami, GIO MESSAGED CAMI 2 DAYS BEFORE THE DAMN ARTICLES CAME OUT. (Assuming their time-zones are either the same or similar, that means Gio sent this at night, So that's more like 1 day at that point) It's admittedly something I'm surprised I'm not seeing people talk about. It explains so much of the weirdness in the article and constant editing after the fact. The main article was in a finished and somewhat polished state, needed some editing but it's content complete for the most part. meanwhile the HICU article... Just isn't? Like the fact that Vast Error is given an entire heading but is literally just a single sentence reeks of just not finishing the damn article. It's mainly the HICU article that seems to be affected by this problem. like it looks like it's trying to pull double duty of being a HICU investigation post and a summary of conclusions he has drawn from his and other people's experiences with HICU/Homestuck Inc/Hussie.


I've read many of Gio's works before this (beyond the Hiveswap articles) and this explains the lack of polish. I really wonder as to why Gio rushed out the articles in this state, since this really isn't his best work. Like was the point that it's like Vriska day or something? Seems really dumb and unrelated tbh. A better self-imposed deadline if there had to be one would've been October 26th, the start of UHC, So it ends on it's anniversary. [A]


(To go on a tangent, it would've been more dramatic too which i do think is a good thing because i find that sorta stuff charming, tbh i feel like the only person who liked the UHC website "redesign", it was kinda funny and charming for Gio to be so intentionally dramatic.)


This also explains the big nothing burger that was the FRAF section of the HICU article (Mainly just warning FRAF about Hussie, because FRAF hasn't really done anything wrong), Cami must've been the only person Gio talked to about FRAF because the next day was the day before the article had to come out (For some reason? This is the main sticking point, i don't know why Gio felt so rushed to get the article out before it was ready? Why not do more interviews? Like the only thing that comes to mind was the existence of FRAF made him feel rushed? I can't really speculate any deeper since i don't know Gio nor have i ever spoken to them so guessing any further would really feel like im writing Gio Fanfiction. Maybe the Official response will help in this regard but i doubt it, that's something Gio would need to answer.)


Also about Cami's response, from the little snippet we see of the Cami and Gio conversation. It's obviously a leading question. Which is bad Journalism for Gio to pull[2], presumably Gio pulled this constantly if Cami felt like Gio had bad intentions. (It really does just feel like Gio had a conclusion in his head, and then kept subtly pushing her to say something that'll support it. Which i guess Gio would have to do if the article for whatever reason had to be released on 8/8, impossible to do Good Journalism if you aren't giving yourself the time to get it done. Also pretty shitty of him in general.)[3]


Like i feel the need to drive this home a bit, the HICU article is very shitty, not in the "Gio has bad intentions" or anything like that. It's just shit journalism, it's a first draft that should've been delayed, reworked, and then polished, with sections which are fully just assumptions that lack the constant qualifiers that should exist to remind the reader of that fact. (Which leads to misunderstandings because this article specifically is just poorly made.) The only parts of that article that felt decent was the first half of it (which feel fairly usual, but are mainly based on old information and stuff from the UHC article, thus could've been written a while ago) and the ending (Which feels decently written, but is somewhat disconnected from the Case Studies.), The SAHCon part was like sorta okay (I got rid of the rest due to finding out the person i was going to talk about requested not to be apart of this)[4] The rest of the "Case Studies" just sucked, they were underbaked and lacked much information, feeling more like leads Gio needed to follow on than things that were fit for publishing half the time.


Now i don't think the UHC article was poorly made, maybe needed to be beta-read or have more polish put on it to deal with problem statements For example "Gio-ish" is one of them, an edgy joke is ill fitting for this article. The article's is about a very serious subject and that joke could lead to an unintended interpretations of the writings, also calling Hussie an "Angry Man" was very shitty, not cool to call an enby a man. I'm only willing to give Gio some leeway on that (outside of the fact that i have a positive opinion of Gio, i do try to separate that when i write this but it's hard to catch your biases...) Since it seems more like an error than intentional Transphobia due to how easily the offending statements could be removed and rewritten without affecting the article. It's admittedly why Gio should've just used They/them or other pronouns instead of He/Him despite the fact people refer to Hussie as He/Him all the time, including Hussie's friends. the best way to avoid an incident like that is to prevent it in the first place. Because it's hard to call an enby an "Angry Man, if you're she/her'ing them or they/them'ing her.


So TLDR On that last part, Gio should've done something like this. (This image is sorta a joke, it's something Gio should've done as a preventative step, but the image itself is a joke to reference OSHA safety standards in Homestuck drama and have it make sense. It is missing the "Get a Beta reader" step though, couldn't fit it in with the format.)


An edit of OSHA'S Hierarchy of Controls as an example of how to avoid being transphobic or transmysoginistic by accident. The image is sorted from least effective to most effective in an upside down pyramid. "Remember Hussie is Enby" is the least effective, with a joke stating that's the only step Gio took, further steps are checking the article for any uses of Man, Consider what a statement could be read as, Avoid using Masculine terms for Hussie, Don't use He/Him for Hussie. The implication for that last one being that it's hard to call an non binary person a man if you never use he him pronouns to describe them..



I don't really have any grand conclusions outside of the articles have issues likely because Gio rushed them to hit the 8/8 deadline for reasons unknown. Perhaps Gio could've easily mitigated some of them but he really should've just pushed the date back to ensure they're in the best shape he could feasibly make them, so that's why things keep changing in the article, since everyone reading it is essentially beta reading the articles for issues and Gio has to keep rushing to fix said issues.


Sidenote: Kate has apologized for the things she said about Gio, apparently sent an email to Gio about it. https://bsky.app/profile/im.giovanh.com/post/3lw5vzqgubs2w Here's the bsky so you can read it. She specifically says in BSKY "Please do not use my experiences as a bludgeon in this conflict against any individual, including Gio. I am not interested in being involved in disputes over this comic. Thank you." I'm mainly bringing this up since at least under mile's post, no one has brought this up and i think it's good for people to keep in mind going forwards to not bring her up unless absolutely necessary to whatever point you want to make. So because of this Gio has taken her out of the article out of respect and added a new section to that piece of the article. It's under the section of "On Aysha’s Behalf" in the UHC article in the "Update From the Future" box https://blog.giovanh.com/blog/2025/08/08/uhc-end/


Sidenote 2: i would not be surprised if there are errors here, I've spent way too long on this but due to the nature of forums, i sorta have to put this up now, unless i want to go to bed and wake up to find the conversation going somewhere else. Like i nearly wrote a note saying Cami might have things in Day month year format in discord, but that'd make no sense since FRAF wasn't around in July. I'm committing the cardinal sin of writing something before going to bed (not my intention but y'know... 3 DAMN HOURS. I accidentally wrote a blog post instead of the reply i originally set out to make. Like can you tell my writing style is a bit inspired by Gio, a dash of Andrew Cunningham, and school essays? Probably not that middle part but you get my point. It's the main reason i haven't gotten around to working on my Home-Skillet analysis posts in like a year. I take too damn long.)


Sidenote 3: I didn't delve much into the Cami Response here. Apologies about that, that wasn't intentional but i don't really have the time to wrap back around to that and go in more detail.


1: https://web.archive.org/web/20250808143410/https://blog.giovanh.com/blog/2025/08/08/the-homestuck-union-was-always-fake/ (Gio took that part of the article off but you can find it here. I really do think this was irresponsible of Gio.)


2:I mean, there are situations where a leading question could be a good idea, but that's if you think the person you're talking to will be dishonest so you have to effectively fool the truth out of them. I don't think Gio has any reason to think Cami would outright lie to them, so it's just Gio being shitty for whatever reason.


3: Didn't Gio work for Befriendus a few years ago? He's still in the credits as an advisor and his portfolio lists him as the technical supervisor[5]. Surely he still has some ties to the team and can ask some questions relating to FRAF, as Befriendus is in FRAF. Heck could provide a perspective of "rank and file" members of FRAF and what members of a big project get to be in FRAF. Like is it every member? some? Just one person? It's a mildly interesting question that would've been neat to find out.


4: https://bsky.app/profile/funkmclovin.bsky.social/post/3lvxxtf5ylc2w It wasn't particularly important in the first place to talk about that tbh. So i cut that part out, i just feel the need to explain why i avoid talking about it.


5: https://blog.giovanh.com/portfolio.html#tab1 (Citations in my Citations? More likely than you'd think!) Also this Portfolio doesn't list an end for Gio's work in the project so they may still technically be a team member of Befriendus which could mean Gio's technically a member of FRAF... probably not but mildly funny to think about.


A: wait why A instead of a number? Because i don't want to reformat this list of notes. But anyways, to reinvigorate the original spirit of this oversized reply turned blog post. plansForeseen, you mentioned "..."faulty construction" of his article, at least to me, is reading as "inherently bad foundations"." I mildly disagree, i think the faulty construction is that the articles are the articles being rushed to be finished on 8/8 instead of getting the time it deserved to be fully polished also i apologize for accidentally turning my reply to your post from 5 hours ago into a blog post, I've said this multiple times in this reply but this just happens sometimes. Also, thanks for your perspective as to why it makes sense for Miles to write his post the way he did, i guess that makes sense. I do personally think this post from miles was a mistake as it doesn't say much on it's own. But i can now see why Miles felt the need to write this. Would say more, but it's well past 11 PM where I'm just tired. I might respond to it in more detail later if the conversation doesn't move away from that part of the conversation. (Extra note before i post this reply, yeah i can see why you don't believe Hussie wouldn't be capable of organizing something like Gio says, again I'm tired to i won't go into detail yet. But thanks for your measured response to this.)

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