@temporarilytaciturn Yeah I'm not really sure where this sentiment began. I think you see it a lot in circles that love Toby's stuff but either find HS old hat or have absorbed the very surface level "unspeakable media" impression of it, because I guess it's tempting to believe your fave would definitely be ashamed of his days working on something 'cringe'. But nah, Toby continues contributing stuff to HS projects and has spoken positively about it even still in recent years, so, I think people are just inventing lore for him lol.